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Old 02-05-2008, 08:32 AM   #31
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For a list of sites that have banned PowerTV, click here.PowerTV


Many forums have recently been witnessing the arrival of a group of members working for a new company in the automotive industry: PowerTV.

These new forum members (going by the names of powermelissa, powerjon, poweramanda, powerscott, and nmrajames) post links to "videos" that were produced by PowerTV. The videos prominently feature the vehicles and parts of some of the largest companies in the automotive industry: General Motors, Holley, Comp Cams, Dynomax, and many others.

Shortly after the appearance of the new PowerTV forum members, forum administrators began receiving bulk emails encouraging them to sign up for PowerTV's free "video sharing technology", and to start their very own free PowerTV "channel".

When posting publicly on forums, PowerTV has portrayed itself as a "video production company", an "enthusiast video network", and a company that "partners with forums" so that they can have "their very own video player".

The truth is more accurately described by Lloyd Hunt, an Account Executive for PowerTV. On his MySpace page, Lloyd says:
"I work for powerTV Media. We are a online viral video marketing company that focuses on the automotive market."-- Lloyd Hunt, Account Executive for PowerTV, as stated on his MySpace page.
01/16 -- UPDATE: the above quote has been deleted from Lloyd Hunt's MySpace page. The original page had been saved by SpankMyMarketer.com prior to publication, and is now viewable in cache.


An "online viral video marketing company" is a company that produces videos for clients, and then promotes the videos for them online, using viral marketing tactics. Viral marketing is a set of marketing practices that capitalize on social networks to "encourage" people to involuntarily pass along a marketing promotion, such that it replicates and spreads "virally" -- analogous to a biological virus. The term "viral marketing" is often used as an attempt to legitimize the stealth nature of the tactics involved.

Of course, web-savvy people understand that "online viral video marketing company" is essentially a euphemism for "spammer".


Lloyd Hunt, as pictured in a PowerTV company photo, and in his MySpace profile photograph.

PowerTV employees initiate their promotions by registering on forums, and posting "videos" that they made. They never reveal that the videos are actually promotional advertisements, being paid for by the parts companies. And, they don't offer to pay for any forum advertising, instead describing their promotional videos as "news" or "event coverage". Then, PowerTV spams the forum admins by email, explaining that they can "enable" forums to have video-sharing "technology", and that, with PowerTV's help, the forums can create their very own video-sharing "channel".

The reality is that automotive companies pay PowerTV to produce and market their promotional videos, using a variety of unethical and illegal tactics. PowerTV's "video sharing technology" that "enables" forums to have "their very own video channel" (YouTube offers the exact same thing) provides a further opportunity for PowerTV to generate views for their clients' promotional videos and banner ads.

PowerTV was first exposed in this discussion on the Hotrodders.com forums, and has continued to be called out on many other automotive forums.


Who's working for PowerTV?
So far, SpankMyMarketer.com has identified three main stealth marketers for PowerTV, and two secondary spammers. They are using the following usernames: powermelissa, powerjon, powerscott, poweramanda, and nmrajames.

Here's a name-by-name breakdown, with links to their presence on each forum. In most cases, we've used a link to their public user profile. However, when user profiles are not visible to unregistered forum members, we've substituted a link to a discussion that involves them. We didn't assume every instance of these usernames to be connected to PowerTV, and are only publishing the verified ones below -- it's usually easiest to identify them by their posting of PowerTV videos, or their placement of a PowerTV url in their forum member profiles. We don't yet know if each person is using just one username, or, (as we suspect) some of the usernames are being used by various PowerTV marketers and/or automated forum posting software.

We're roughly estimating that our research here represents about 1/4 to 1/3 of the total, as this is just what we could locate in Google over the past week.


What companies are paying PowerTV to do promotions for them?
The following companies pay PowerTV to promote their products through viral video marketing (this is not a complete list): BMR Fabrication, Comp Cams, Dynomax, General Motors, Holley, Livernois Motorsports, Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA), Turbonetics, Vortech Superchargers, Wheel to Wheel Powertrain. Below are some example promotions.


Are PowerTV's marketing tactics really illegal?
On most forums, users must agree to the forum's Terms of Service before registering. This is typically done by checking the "I Agree" checkbox before proceeding with the forum registration. This constitutes a legally binding contract, commonly referred to as a "clickwrap" agreement (you often have to go through a similar process when installing software on your computer). In most cases that have challenged clickwrap agreements, the terms of the contract have been upheld, and the contract has been considered legally binding. For more basic information, see the Wikipedia pages on Terms of service and Clickwrap. For a list of relevant cases, see: Contracts: Click Wrap Licenses -- Internet Law Treatise and Click-Wrap Agreement -- Internet Library of Law and Court Decisions.

Many forums have Terms of Service that explicitly prohibit the posting of commercial content, especially by those who have refused to pay for paid forum advertising. Despite this, PowerTV has been aggressively posting their commercial content on forums, in flagrant violation of many forums' Terms of Service.

Realistically, users "break" forums' Terms of Service frequently. It's usually not a big deal -- admins try to deal with it quietly and reasonably.

For many people, including us, the greatest issue is not that PowerTV was technically in violation of the law (plenty of automotive forum members don't drive 5 miles without "technically" violating the law ). And, while their refusal to pay for advertising insulted a lot of admins, it wasn't a big deal on Hotrodders.com (we don't allow any advertising on our forums, not even paid advertising).

The real problem here is that PowerTV was attempting to take advantage of countless forum members and administrators.

One of the larger companies involved in the PowerTV marketing scam was Tenneco, a $4.7 billion dollar automotive parts manufacturing company (Tenneco is the parent company of Dynomax, Rancho, Walker, and many other automotive parts brands). SpankMyMarketer.com contacted Tenneco many times about PowerTV's activities. Each time, they tried to hide behind a different lawyer. Their general counsel (the chief lawyer in a corporation) and their internal legal department were both unable to provide a satisfactory explanation, and thought that they could simply "remove" the stealth postings from all of the forums, effectively covering their tracks. Finally, they hired an external law firm specializing in Internet law. Through this law firm, Tenneco told us, in writing, that they had instructed PowerTV to stop violating forums' Terms of Service, and to clearly communicate the fact that PowerTV posts involving their products were actually advertisements. However, Tenneco still refused to stop funding the PowerTV promotions. (For more information, see: A Tale of Three Lawyers.)

We've been communicating by private phone calls, email, and conference calls with the involved companies and their legal departments. We've also notified the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), and we expect further legal action to take place.


What forums have banned PowerTV?
Many forums have responded by banning the various PowerTV usernames. On some forums, when a member is banned, the word "Banned" is displayed alongside the banned member's username. By Googling for the various PowerTV usernames and the word "Banned", it was possible to locate a few examples of forums on which they've already been banned. At the links below, you can see discussions about banned PowerTV marketers, or user profiles in which the word "Banned" appears under their usernames, indicating their banning from that particular forum.
powerjon and nmrajames banned on 67-72ChevyTrucks.com, powermelissa banned on DigitalCorvettes.com, powermelissa banned on DFWStangs.net, powermelissa banned on GTCars.ca, nmrajames banned on LS1GTO.com, powermelissa banned on LS1GTO.com, nmrajames banned on MFBA.org, powerjon banned on MFBA.org, powermelissa banned on MFBA.org, powerjon banned on MustangHeaven.com, powermelissa banned on MustangHeaven.com, powermelissa banned on NastyZ28.com, powermelissa banned on SEMBMuscleCarClub.com, powerjon banned on StangNet.com, powermelissa banned on StangNet.com, nmrajames banned on StreetFire.net, powerjon banned on SVTPerformance.com, powerjon banned on TampaRacing.com, powermelissa banned on TampaRacing.com, powermelissa banned on VADriven.com, powermelissa banned on YarisWorld.com.

What forums have publicly called out PowerTV?
Some forums are holding private, members-only discussions about this (we only know this because we can see the referrals in our traffic logs). Our policy is to only link to discussions that are publicly available for all to see, without registration. Here's a list of publicly-available forum discussions in which PowerTV or their sponsors are called out as spammers or stealth marketers:
1320Drag.net, 3.8Mustang.com, 67-72ChevyTrucks.com, AllisChalmers.com, BlueOvalForums.com, BradBarnett.com, Camaros.net, CarJunkieForums.com, ClubGP.com, CorvetteForum.com, D-Series.org, DigitalCorvettes.com, FBodyAddict.com, FordSix.com, FullThrottleForums.com, GMV8.org, GoDragRacing.com, GoFastZone.com, GTCars.ca, HorsepowerJunkies.com, LS1GTO.com, LUVTruck.com, LVFBody.com, M-100.cc, MachineBuilders.net, ModdedMustangs.com, Moparts.org, Motor-Talk.de, MotorCityMarauders.com, MotownMuscle.com, MustangForums.com, MustangHeaven.com, NastyZ28.com, NSRA.org.uk, Pro-Touring.com, PurposeBuilt.org, RX7Club.com, ScreamAndFly.com, SEMBMuscleCarClub.com, SmallBlockPosse.com, SportsCarForums.com, StreetCarChaos.net, ThirdGen.org, TractorSport.com, TurboBuick.com, TurboBuicks.com, V6Power.net, V8Buick.com, VADriven.com, WebRodder.com, YellowBullet.com, ZR2USA.com.
(If your forum has publicly called out PowerTV, please let us know through our feedback form, and we'll add your site to the list. Or, feel free to post your forum url in the original PowerTV discussion on the Hotrodders.com forums.)

On Wikipedia, powermelissa attempted to write an "article" about PowerTV. Wikipedia administrators quickly deleted it, saying that "the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company". Further details are available on powermelissa's Wikipedia profile page.

In addition, the Center for Media and Democracy has exposed PowerTV's promotion in their Spin of the Day section. The Center for Media and Democracy is a nonprofit group dedicated to "investigating and exposing public relations spin and propaganda".


We caught PowerTV on our forum. Any suggestions?
Obviously, it's up to each forum's administration to do as they see fit. Various forums are handling this situation differently, according to their established protocol or preferences. Some are deleting, some are banning, some are editing. Some are doing this in private discussions, some are calling out PowerTV publicly.

Our best suggestion is to edit the urls out of all PowerTV posts. Although this may not be practical for forums with many PowerTV posts, it has the advantage of rendering the advertisements largely useless, while freeing you from the onus of deleting posts. From there, it's your decision to ban or not ban, in accordance with your general policy, and in consideration of the specific posts that PowerTV made on your forum.

When posting about this, most forums have chosen to do so publicly. However, depending on your preference, you may opt for a members-only discussion, or a moderators-only discussion.

That's pretty much it. When the number of forums that have exposed the stealth promotion exceeds the number of forums that have been exposed to the stealth promotion, the campaign will likely be rendered ineffective, and the promotion will "reverse" back on itself.

If you're interested in "enabling" your users to have video-uploading "technology" , YouTube may likely still be your best bet. They have the same "channel" capabilities that PowerTV is offering, plus they're owned by Google, so you have less to worry about in regard to ethics. If you're looking for more of a DIY solution, you might like the free FLV PLayer, which we use here on SpankMyMarketer.com -- it supports playlists, a variety of streams, and, like YouTube, has a revenue-sharing advertising option. Beyond that, just ask around at a large forum for admins, and see what everyone has to say.


We heard that SpankMyMarketer.com is run by crazy people who hate all companies. Is that true?
You most likely read PowerTV's "explanation" of these events. James Lawrence, the CEO of PowerTV, has been making the rounds trying to do damage control. Rather than addressing the facts of this situation, and trying to work toward an understanding with the online automotive enthusiast community, James has chosen to make personal attacks against the administration of Hotrodders.com and SpankMyMarketer.com. James says that we "hate companies", and even compares us to "the anti-abortion radical movement that went so far as to start murdering doctors." James's defense post has been variously placed on certain forums, often resulting in its deletion, or James's banning from that particular forum.

After James's damage-control post was deleted from a few forums, he posted it in a discussion on the official PowerTV forums. The entire "discussion" consists of three posts, all authored by James. After James's third post, the discussion was locked by James.

Once again, James's damage-control post can be viewed here: PowerTVOnline.com forum post. And, our reply is here: Hotrodders.com reply.

Despite James's allegations, SpankMyMarketer.com is well known for meticulous research, non-profit motivation, and high ethical standards. We don't "hate all companies", and, believe it or not, we've never murdered a single doctor .

Actually, SpankMyMarketer.com has been covered in the press, defended by free speech lawyers, and even studied in Harvard Law School.


Why are you guys making such a big deal out of this?
SpankMyMarketer.com routinely monitors the stealth marketing activities of several key elements of the automotive industry, and intervenes when necessary. In most cases, we are able to resolve situations with extended private communication. Occasionally, these discreet methods fail to bring about a resolution -- talks break down, companies hide behind public relations firms, and corporations send in lawyer after lawyer in a vain attempt to defend their actions.

In this situation, we spoke with many of the involved companies in an effort to get them to stop funding the PowerTV promotions. It didn't work. Nobody apologized, nobody tried to make good on what had happened, and nobody stopped paying for the PowerTV campaigns. So, after numerous failed attempts to resolve this through private emails and phone calls, we took this situation to the public, the press, and the federal government.

PowerTV's executives are the same people behind the automotive mags and the TV shows. James Lawrence, the CEO of PowerTV, and Mike Acosta, the Sales Director, have both worked for Primedia, the company that once owned most large automotive enthusiast magazines. James also admits that PowerTV uses "the same network TV model to run our show as does HorsepowerTV, Two Guys Garage, Pimp My Ride, etc."

These days, most car enthusiasts are savvy enough to understand that the mags publish content primarily to satisfy advertisers, and that the TV shows are written for the advertisers, a process known as advertiser-funded programming (note how the producers of HorsepowerTV attract advertisers by telling them that they will "tailor show content to benefit your bottom line!").

These are common examples of how automotive knowledge and culture have been sacrificed for financial gain. We see PowerTV's campaign as an attempt to do the same thing to automotive forums, by using deceptive tactics to take advantage of hundreds of forum administrators, and millions of forum members.

Automotive forums are places for people to share their thoughts, ideas, and friendships. Many of the larger parts companies seem to have a "Pimp My Forum" attitude, and we think that it's well worth the time and the effort to stand up to them.


Methodology
After Hotrodders.com was repeatedly spammed by PowerTV (email spams and forum posting spams), we Googled for "powermelissa" and uncovered the campaign. When private communication with James Lawrence ended in personal attacks, we exposed the campaign in this discussion on the Hotrodders.com forums. From there, we searched Google for other PowerTV usernames and PowerTV urls, detecting their presence on numerous forums. We also found the official PowerTV MySpace page, which led to various PowerTV employee MySpace pages.

The photo of Melissa Lawrence is a still image from a PowerTV promotional video. The photos of James Lawrence, Lloyd Hunt, and Jon Nguyen are their public MySpace profile photographs. On January 16th, 2007, Lloyd Hunt's MySpace page was altered to remove the part where he says: "I work for powerTV Media. We are a online viral video marketing company that focuses on the automotive market." The page is still viewable in SpankMyMarketer.com's cache.

On sites that allowed public searching of their forum archives by non-registered members, we also researched PowerTV posts. However, if access to the search function required registration on that forum, we didn't register. If PowerTV-related discussions were members-only, we didn't pursue them, as we didn't want to register with the sole purpose of reading members-only discussions.

Prior to publication, every link referenced on this page was saved in SpankMyMarketer.com's cache.

We've already privately emailed 72 of the affected sites, with individually-written emails detailing the specific PowerTV presence on their forums.

Feel free to comment on this issue, either privately through our feedback form, or publicly on our forums.



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You need not discuss this with me, discuss it with a mod.
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Aparently PowerTV arent the only spammers, you guys can't leave a ****ing thread alone without cluttering it with blabbering nonsense.

NOW to NMRAJames.
I dont believe a word you say, nor do I believe the "cut and paste" sob story you PM'd me and the mods. If you and your associates weren't getting paid to surf the net all day and flooding forums with videos, claiming to own vehicles the forums is based on, you would be bankrupt. I wish I got paid to surf the net all day. If your retirement plan wasn't a 3 meal a day prison cell I might consider applying for a job.

Usually a company covering an event PAYS to sponsor it. NOPI comes to mind. Why do you get away with doing it for free? Is that not free advertisement? How is it you just recently started apologizing and saying you'd ask for permission to do the business you've been doing, and had intended to continue if you hadn't been noticed?

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Well I can say they did the V6 Dyno day 100% free, and didn't ask anything of us for the feature. We didn't ask them to post it anywhere, didn't do anything. To me, it was a great feature and publicity That is all I will really say.
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Aparently PowerTV arent the only spammers, you guys can't leave a ****ing thread alone without cluttering it with blabbering nonsense.

NOW to NMRAJames.
I dont believe a word you say, nor do I believe the "cut and paste" sob story you PM'd me and the mods. If you and your associates weren't getting paid to surf the net all day and flooding forums with videos, claiming to own vehicles the forums is based on, you would be bankrupt. I wish I got paid to surf the net all day. If your retirement plan wasn't a 3 meal a day prison cell I might consider applying for a job.

Usually a company covering an event PAYS to sponsor it. NOPI comes to mind. Why do you get away with doing it for free? Is that not free advertisement? How is it you just recently started apologizing and saying you'd ask for permission to do the business you've been doing, and had intended to continue if you hadn't been noticed?

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I see you used my ratherlong post on V6 Power. Good thinking!


Odd how Lloyd Hunt's My Space asccount was deleted. Is he hiding something?


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Thomas, I can't make you believe me. You are free to your opinion. All I can do is tell you the truth and you can make your own decisions about what to believe or what not to believe. We are not paid to post videos. We produce an online TV show now called StangTV which is an online Mustang show. Those are the only videos that has been posted on any Ford forums. Have you watched any of the events we've covered?

For example, could you watch this for me just so you can see what I'm talking about. This is the V6 dyno day we covered for the members on this board.
http://www.nmratv.com/index.php?stre...flv&playlist=1

On 3.8 Mustang specifically, everything that was posted was pretty much event videos, the GTR V6 dyno day, and a video on our V6 build we are doing in our show.

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I'm not sure how that works in terms of event coverage you are referring to. We cover all of the NMRA and NMCA events, as well as events like the before mentioned GTR V6 shootout. We are not sponsors of NMRA, NMCA, NOPI, V6 Shootout, World Ford Challenge, etc. We are a media company covering the event just like 5.0 Mustang, Muscle Mustangs, etc.

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How is it you just recently started apologizing and saying you'd ask for permission to do the business you've been doing, and had intended to continue if you hadn't been noticed?
No, obviously not. We acknowledged that we made a mistake by posting videos to many different forums without talking to the admin first. We had permission with many forums, and with others we didn't. I can't do anything other than tell you that we need to learn from this and move on to be a better member of the communities.
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Odd how Lloyd Hunt's My Space asccount was deleted. Is he hiding something?
Lloyd's account was not deleted, it was just made private.

Klotz let me ask you something.

The guy has a family and kids, and somebody stole a myspace photo from his personal web site, a photo from his honeymoon, and made a personal attack on the guy.

He has had people from that web site (hotrodders.com) sign him up for spam e-mails, and e-mailed him threatening letters threating to "take him out".

Now, if I were Lloyd, I'd respect his decision to make his page private. When it comes to someone stealing your personal photos from your honeymoon and then other members send him e-mails saying they "know where he lives" what would you do?

I hope you can agree that the guy has a right to privacy for him and his family. How is that related to hiding anything? Hiding something in his myspace page?
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Lloyd's account was not deleted, it was just made private.

Klotz let me ask you something.

The guy has a family and kids, and somebody stole a myspace photo from his personal web site, a photo from his honeymoon, and made a personal attack on the guy.

He has had people from that web site (hotrodders.com) sign him up for spam e-mails, and e-mailed him threatening letters threating to "take him out".

Now, if I were Lloyd, I'd respect his decision to make his page private. When it comes to someone stealing your personal photos from your honeymoon and then other members send him e-mails saying they "know where he lives" what would you do?

I hope you can agree that the guy has a right to privacy for him and his family. How is that related to hiding anything? Hiding something in his myspace page?
If I was his age, I wouldn't be on myspace. Also, what's wrong with spamming somebody, when they do it to others?
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LOL, I can't testify why Lloyd is or isn't on myspace. I have a myspace page and I'm 31. Can't say I update it much though.
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Lloyd's account was not deleted, it was just made private.

Klotz let me ask you something.

The guy has a family and kids, and somebody stole a myspace photo from his personal web site, a photo from his honeymoon, and made a personal attack on the guy.

He has had people from that web site (hotrodders.com) sign him up for spam e-mails, and e-mailed him threatening letters threating to "take him out".

Now, if I were Lloyd, I'd respect his decision to make his page private. When it comes to someone stealing your personal photos from your honeymoon and then other members send him e-mails saying they "know where he lives" what would you do?

I hope you can agree that the guy has a right to privacy for him and his family. How is that related to hiding anything? Hiding something in his myspace page?

I have been going from forum to forum, and using search engines to find out more about your organization.
From whay I read, and will pass on to 3.8 mods, Lloyd should be hiding from some people, as your group is misrepresenting itself.
Lloyd put himself and his family in harms way, I won't say he deserves it, but I will ask, what does he expect?
I found several lists of sites your group is banned from, and 3.8 is mentioned as one site that called you down. when I clicked onto the link, it lead me to THIS VERY PAGE YOU ARE READING NOW!
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Morman, we all are sinners, but not all of us work at it.
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I have been going from forum to forum, and using search engines to find out more about your organization.
From whay I read, and will pass on to 3.8 mods, Lloyd should be hiding from some people, as your group is misrepresenting itself.
Lloyd put himself and his family in harms way, I won't say he deserves it, but I will ask, what does he expect?
I found several lists of sites your group is banned from, and 3.8 is mentioned as one site that called you down. when I clicked onto the link, it lead me to THIS VERY PAGE YOU ARE READING NOW!
I feel sorry for the man's family, but not the man!
Do you have any links to show us what you mean, or at least care to explain?

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true that. I try to sin as much as I can, just so I CAN go to hell. That's where I'm leading you klotz. LOOK INTO MY EYES
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I posted one site, but will give you more. How many do you want?
They are listed in an FTC conplaint, but that is Federal, you will have to find it yourself.

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Link, deleted wikipedia "Meilissa" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Powermelissa

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A new company named PowerTV has been posting on hundreds of car forums, telling people that they want to "help" them to "share" videos that they made. Research proves that PowerTV is a group of hired spammers, getting paid to produce promotional videos for automotive parts companies, and then to market the videos in forums. Read the full report below.

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PowerTV

Many forums have recently been witnessing the arrival of a group of members working for a new company in the automotive industry: PowerTV.

These new forum members (going by the names of powermelissa, powerjon, poweramanda, powerscott, and nmrajames) post links to "videos" that were produced by PowerTV. The videos prominently feature the vehicles and parts of some of the largest companies in the automotive industry: General Motors, Holley, Comp Cams, Dynomax, and many others.

Shortly after the appearance of the new PowerTV forum members, forum administrators began receiving bulk emails encouraging them to sign up for PowerTV's free "video sharing technology", and to start their very own free PowerTV "channel".

When posting publicly on forums, PowerTV has portrayed itself as a "video production company", an "enthusiast video network", and a company that "partners with forums" so that they can have "their very own video player".

The truth is more accurately described by Lloyd Hunt, an Account Executive for PowerTV. On his MySpace page, Lloyd says:

"I work for powerTV Media. We are a online viral video marketing company that focuses on the automotive market."-- Lloyd Hunt, Account Executive for PowerTV, as stated on his MySpace page.
01/16 -- UPDATE: the above quote has been deleted from Lloyd Hunt's MySpace page. The original page had been saved by SpankMyMarketer.com prior to publication, and is now viewable in cache.


An "online viral video marketing company" is a company that produces videos for clients, and then promotes the videos for them online, using viral marketing tactics. Viral marketing is a set of marketing practices that capitalize on social networks to "encourage" people to involuntarily pass along a marketing promotion, such that it replicates and spreads "virally" -- analogous to a biological virus. The term "viral marketing" is often used as an attempt to legitimize the stealth nature of the tactics involved.

Of course, web-savvy people understand that "online viral video marketing company" is essentially a euphemism for "spammer".


Lloyd Hunt, as pictured in a PowerTV company photo, and in his MySpace profile photograph.

PowerTV employees initiate their promotions by registering on forums, and posting "videos" that they made. They never reveal that the videos are actually promotional advertisements, being paid for by the parts companies. And, they don't offer to pay for any forum advertising, instead describing their promotional videos as "news" or "event coverage". Then, PowerTV spams the forum admins by email, explaining that they can "enable" forums to have video-sharing "technology", and that, with PowerTV's help, the forums can create their very own video-sharing "channel".

The reality is that automotive companies pay PowerTV to produce and market their promotional videos, using a variety of unethical and illegal tactics. PowerTV's "video sharing technology" that "enables" forums to have "their very own video channel" (YouTube offers the exact same thing) provides a further opportunity for PowerTV to generate views for their clients' promotional videos and banner ads.

PowerTV was first exposed in this discussion on the Hotrodders.com forums, and has continued to be called out on many other automotive forums.


What forums have banned PowerTV?

Many forums have responded by banning the various PowerTV usernames. On some forums, when a member is banned, the word "Banned" is displayed alongside the banned member's username. By Googling for the various PowerTV usernames and the word "Banned", it was possible to locate a few examples of forums on which they've already been banned. At the links below, you can see discussions about banned PowerTV marketers, or user profiles in which the word "Banned" appears under their usernames, indicating their banning from that particular forum.
powerjon and nmrajames banned on 67-72ChevyTrucks.com, powermelissa banned on DigitalCorvettes.com, powermelissa banned on DFWStangs.net, powermelissa banned on GTCars.ca, nmrajames banned on LS1GTO.com, powermelissa banned on LS1GTO.com, nmrajames banned on MFBA.org, powerjon banned on MFBA.org, powermelissa banned on MFBA.org, powerjon banned on MustangHeaven.com, powermelissa banned on MustangHeaven.com, powermelissa banned on NastyZ28.com, powermelissa banned on SEMBMuscleCarClub.com, powerjon banned on StangNet.com, powermelissa banned on StangNet.com, nmrajames banned on StreetFire.net, powerjon banned on SVTPerformance.com, powerjon banned on TampaRacing.com, powermelissa banned on TampaRacing.com, powermelissa banned on VADriven.com, powermelissa banned on YarisWorld.com.
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I posted one site, but will give you more. How many do you want?
They are listed in an FTC conplaint, but that is Federal, you will have to find it yourself.

Oh, bears are not held to the ten commandments, only man is. You should know that.
Klotz - the part I'd like to point out here. "Jonathan Rubinstien" is the author of the complaint. He is also the person who was sourced in just about all of this. He is also the person e-mailing all of the admins that we are paid to post. If I was an admin, and I got an e-mail from someone telling me I had "paid spammers from General Motors on my site" I'd take a ban first and ask questions later attitude. Which is exactly what happened on some forums.

As for the wikipedia entry, Melissa tried to create a wiki entry for powerTV. Apparently that isn't allowed. Companies can't create their own entries. That simple. Jonathan twisted and spun this into an entire line of b.s. about us spamming wikipedia.
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and actually the build vid seems kinda interesting, but u dont have to sing day and night about the sponsore
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and actually the build vid seems kinda interesting, but u dont have to sing day and night about the sponsore
Thanks, what video are you talking about? The heretic mustang or the dyno day?

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the red sixer, its seems kinda interesting, but i've seen it done before a couple of times, almost old news even compared to the shelbysix
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the red sixer, its seems kinda interesting, but i've seen it done before a couple of times, almost old news even compared to the shelbysix
We did about 10 videos on the V6 build but only about 5 of them have actually aired yet. So far the most popular one by far is the Xcharger install and dyno test.

I am going to post the link to YouTube since I don't want anyone to think that I'm posting this to get traffic..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeHotAfowM0

This was posted by a user on http://mustangforums.com/m_4548835/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

You can read the comments on your own and see what you think.

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