Individual Throttle Bodies

[FLAGSHIP]

That's the beautiful M6 dynamo. 5 litre 10 piston that cranks out 505ish HP. The coupe has a carbon fiber roof. What kills me is that the only time I see them, the driver seats are occupied by middle aged, bleached blonde debutants on their way back from the dog groomer and only need 50 HP to accomplish that need. 99.9% of the people that own this car never take it to a track, where the car's meant to be. Anyway, nice engine bay

[corydoitch]

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

Sooooooo who here has the balls and cash to make an ITB setup for 3.8's and go down in forum history???

I'm lookin at you, VMP! Make us a kit.

why would justin build us an itb kit?

[FLAGSHIP]

Originally Posted by quik67mustang

why would justin build us an itb kit?

Money... I think it would turn into a fairly common mod, and he could charge out the ass, not that I want him to.

[Shifty]

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

Money... I think it would turn into a fairly common mod, and he could charge out the ass, not that I want him to.

eh to be honest i cant see it being that common due to price, i mean an aftermarket intake for the 4.6 runs about $800 and that's without individual throttle body's, sean hyland makes one but doesn't list the cost. so im assuming its at least a grand. Plus the sean hyland one requires an aftermarket ECU.

dont get me wrong though, i think it would be sweet, if it was available as close to bolt on, and under $400, even if it was plastic, i would be all over that.

[03FR500]

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

That's the beautiful M6 dynamo. 5 litre 10 piston that cranks out 505ish HP. The coupe has a carbon fiber roof. What kills me is that the only time I see them, the driver seats are occupied by middle aged, bleached blonde debutants on their way back from the dog groomer and only need 50 HP to accomplish that need. 99.9% of the people that own this car never take it to a track, where the car's meant to be. Anyway, nice engine bay

I have seen a guy drive the balls off a M6 at a regional AutoX event at War Memorial a few months back, which you should be at since you are in LR. The guy was putting down beyond decent times for his first event, and the car was amazing. The next event is Sep. 28 at the War Memorial parkinglot, be there 8-9:30am w/ $25. Sadly I will be in Steelville, MO and won't be able to make it.

[GrumpyStang]

Originally Posted by KTBug

Here ya go:

OMG

I live In Little Rock also!

[03FR500]

The Falken drift Mustang has ITBs on its Aluminator engine also. I think I saw a video of it on Streetfire.net or something.

[amrcnidyot]

Originally Posted by 01FR500

The Falken drift Mustang has ITBs on its Aluminator engine also. I think I saw a video of it on Streetfire.net or something.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/B...ghn_169270.htm

[corydoitch]

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

Money... I think it would turn into a fairly common mod, and he could charge out the ass, not that I want him to.

I dont think the majority of the people on here want to keep their v6 n/a, theres a select few that i think would do it, but not many. The hiposilver manifold will be the closest thing that we get for now.

[mysteed]

Originally Posted by klotzstang

DARN YOU, KT!!
There used to be on of those in my nieghbor's 1966 GT350.

I HIGHLY doubt that seeing as how that's a DOHC motor.

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

Sooooooo who here has the balls and cash to make an ITB setup for 3.8's and go down in forum history???

I'm lookin at you, VMP! Make us a kit.

It's not that no one doesn't have the "balls" to make such a kit but that it's just not worth the R&D to do. Furthermore, to make such a setup for a 130rwhp vehicle is just laughable. If you want something like that then you'll have to do it yourself (like I did with the m112).

Oh, and Morana will never release that product seeing as how that's not even close to being a production piece.

[FLAGSHIP]

Originally Posted by mysteed

I HIGHLY doubt that seeing as how that's a DOHC motor.

It's not that no one doesn't have the "balls" to make such a kit but that it's just not worth the R&D to do. Furthermore, to make such a setup for a 130rwhp vehicle is just laughable. If you want something like that then you'll have to do it yourself (like I did with the m112).

Oh, and Morana will never release that product seeing as how that's not even close to being a production piece.

They sell it for $1200.

See... http://www.moranav6racing.com/catego...l?CategoryID=2

Get one today.

[corydoitch]

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

They sell it for $1200.

See... http://www.moranav6racing.com/catego...l?CategoryID=2

Get one today.

morana isnt exactly regarded as the best company around here, hence why you dont see everyone with his products im sure you could pay him the $1200 for it, but you may never get it

[FLAGSHIP]

Originally Posted by quik67mustang

morana isnt exactly regarded as the best company around here, hence why you dont see everyone with his products im sure you could pay him the $1200 for it, but you may never get it

My point is that ITB's would be nice to have and I'd easily pay $1200 for one made for 99-04. I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one.

[mysteed]

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

They sell it for $1200.

See... http://www.moranav6racing.com/catego...l?CategoryID=2

Get one today.

They might list it, but based on past experience it's not yet in production. I mean just judging by the pic that they have posted you can tell it's still in R&D (like most of their products).


If I wasn't swamped by school right now I'd jump at the chance to make one of those even if I'd never actually sport one.

[Duke]

hmm...

[mysteed]

Originally Posted by Bluesix

hmm...

Don't even think about it. I've already got a sketch drawn out. Now for the MAF and tb linkage....thoughts?

[amrcnidyot]

Originally Posted by mysteed

Don't even think about it. I've already got a sketch drawn out. Now for the MAF and tb linkage....thoughts?

for the maf you would have to do an airbox like the 08 m3 has. (mentioned above by klotzstang). i would think you would also need a tps on each tb. i have no idea how that would work.

isnt the idea of ITBs to have a seperate tb for each runner into the head so you get a max velocity? how would you do that when there are 2 runners for each head on the splitport motors? you would have to split the runner into 2. i guess it still might help but its not taking full advantage of the setup. i could be very wrong

[FLAGSHIP]

Originally Posted by amrcnidyot

for the maf you would have to do an airbox like the 08 m3 has. (mentioned above by klotzstang). i would think you would also need a tps on each tb. i have no idea how that would work.

isnt the idea of ITBs to have a seperate tb for each runner into the head so you get a max velocity? how would you do that when there are 2 runners for each head on the splitport motors? you would have to split the runner into 2. i guess it still might help but its not taking full advantage of the setup. i could be very wrong

Maybe a discount for FLAGSHIP if one of you guys feel squirrely enough to make one, ya know, since I came up with the idea

[mysteed]

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

Maybe a discount for FLAGSHIP if one of you guys feel squirrely enough to make one, ya know, since I came up with the idea

The first one to come up with the idea? Hardly dear sir. Hardly.


So I've been looking at some setups and I think I may have it all figured out. Now I just need to get 6 5.0L TB's.

[FLAGSHIP]

Originally Posted by mysteed

The first one to come up with the idea? Hardly dear sir. Hardly.


So I've been looking at some setups and I think I may have it all figured out. Now I just need to get 6 5.0L TB's.

Well, on a 3.8 Mustang


And 5.0 TB's?!?!? Those would be huge = ****TY drivability. Use some small Hayabusa or CBR crotch-rocket TB's.

[mysteed]

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

Well, on a 3.8 Mustang


And 5.0 TB's?!?!? Those would be huge = ****TY drivability. Use some small Hayabusa or CBR crotch-rocket TB's.

The stock v6 TB is 56mm and the stock 5.0L TB is 60mm IIRC. Using a bike TB creates a whole different set of issues. Saying to do something is one thing, but doing it is entirely different.

[greensteeda]

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

But yes, individual throttle bodies are tried and true. BMW's new M3 has them and it's ridiculous. 4.2 V8 with a redline at 8400. ITB's help the engine be one of the highest revving high-volume V8's in the world. I haven't driven one, but I hear that the throttle response is insane. Take it to the track and the downshift blips come easy. That's very unlike our slow revving Stang. To blip the throttle I have to slam accelerator. Takes away a lot of the fun IMO.

If you have a problem with the throttle response in our cars there is something wrong. I have never had a problem getting the RPMs up for down shifting. If you want the revs to come up faster just get a lightweight flywheel/clutch assembly. It will be much cheaper. The ITB's is cool but really not worth it unless somebody is just really that bored. I would love to build a N/A car that could pull 300 hp/tq to the wheels reliably (at least one season of racing) but the more I research it the more expensive it is looking to be. Not saying quit the idea, but don't get your hopes up or think this is the holy grail of power for the V6 pony.

[Duke]

Originally Posted by mysteed

Don't even think about it. I've already got a sketch drawn out. Now for the MAF and tb linkage....thoughts?

**** you, I'll do what I want!

I do have a few ideas. If you're seriously willing to collaborate I'd be willing to play nice.

[mysteed]

Originally Posted by Bluesix

**** you, I'll do what I want!

I do have a few ideas. If you're seriously willing to collaborate I'd be willing to play nice.

I've got no issues with helping some people out.

[Duke]

Originally Posted by mysteed

I've got no issues with helping some people out.

well now... I think I'll start in on this project.


...?

[FLAGSHIP]

Originally Posted by greensteeda

If you have a problem with the throttle response in our cars there is something wrong. I have never had a problem getting the RPMs up for down shifting. If you want the revs to come up faster just get a lightweight flywheel/clutch assembly. It will be much cheaper. The ITB's is cool but really not worth it unless somebody is just really that bored. I would love to build a N/A car that could pull 300 hp/tq to the wheels reliably (at least one season of racing) but the more I research it the more expensive it is looking to be. Not saying quit the idea, but don't get your hopes up or think this is the holy grail of power for the V6 pony.

It's not the Holy Grail, I agree. Just something I'd love to see, hear, and buy. And it's worth the money to me, whether or not anybody agrees. I personally think that it's a complete waste to throw $2000 worth of suspension upgrades into a car that handles horribly to make it a car handle decently, and I know you've focused a lot of your energy on doing this. My point is that we all have different desires and this is mine, whether or not it's yours, and suspension might be yours, whether or not it's mine.

[FLAGSHIP]

Originally Posted by mysteed

The stock v6 TB is 56mm and the stock 5.0L TB is 60mm IIRC. Using a bike TB creates a whole different set of issues. Saying to do something is one thing, but doing it is entirely different.

If you're going to do it, do it right. Using six 60mm TB's the completely negates the entire point of ITB's. Big TB's means low velocity = even LESS willing to rev than a single 56mm TB = bad drivability = not the point of ITB's.

I'm not doing the physical project, but that doesn't mean that what I know is null. If you want to do this project yourself, fine, but do me a favor and don't blow my advice off just because I don't have to time to do this myself. I'm a Physics major and my focus is on FLUID DYNAMICS and acoustics, so it might be beneficial to listen to what I have to say. Use it.

[mysteed]

Originally Posted by FLAGSHIP

If you're going to do it, do it right. Using six 60mm TB's the completely negates the entire point of ITB's. Big TB's means low velocity = even LESS willing to rev than a single 56mm TB = bad drivability = not the point of ITB's.

I'm not doing the physical project, but that doesn't mean that what I know is null. If you want to do this project yourself, fine, but do me a favor and don't blow my advice off just because I don't have to time to do this myself. I'm a Physics major and my focus is on FLUID DYNAMICS and acoustics, so it might be beneficial to listen to what I have to say. Use it.

****, way to be standoffish. I've been building peculiar stuff like this for a while now and while I DID take your advice into consideration I didn't toss it aside like you presumed.

THIS is why I don't like making specialty parts. Everyone wants it done their way and want's it done with the BEST parts and then when pricing comes up they'll complain to hell and back that it's too expensive. Let us do what we do best and design the piece and until then don't try to nitpick every little detail. It's called R&D for a reason Flagship. Making a model using cheaper parts is a LOT easier on the wallet and getting made to order parts and then having to modify them.

[Duke]

Originally Posted by mysteed

****, way to be standoffish. I've been building peculiar stuff like this for a while now and while I DID take your advice into consideration I didn't toss it aside like you presumed.

THIS is why I don't like making specialty parts. Everyone wants it done their way and want's it done with the BEST parts and then when pricing comes up they'll complain to hell and back that it's too expensive. Let us do what we do best and design the piece and until then don't try to nitpick every little detail. It's called R&D for a reason Flagship. Making a model using cheaper parts is a LOT easier on the wallet and getting made to order parts and then having to modify them.

It's much easier to adopt the "**** 'em" attitude and just do it by yourself. That's what I do and I've had stellar results!

[FLAGSHIP]

Originally Posted by mysteed

****, way to be standoffish. I've been building peculiar stuff like this for a while now and while I DID take your advice into consideration I didn't toss it aside like you presumed.

THIS is why I don't like making specialty parts. Everyone wants it done their way and want's it done with the BEST parts and then when pricing comes up they'll complain to hell and back that it's too expensive. Let us do what we do best and design the piece and until then don't try to nitpick every little detail. It's called R&D for a reason Flagship. Making a model using cheaper parts is a LOT easier on the wallet and getting made to order parts and then having to modify them.

Yeah yesterday was a ****ty day. I really didn't mean to sound like a prick and I'm sorry if I did.