Getting a cam?

MustangHunter · 05-06-2009, 01:09 PM

So I'm going have to get my head gasket replaced. So i figure i might as well get a new cam while they're in there.

I mainly want it for the sound, none the less. Something like this: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...cam_110305.htm

What should i get at the most cost efficient way? I heard 207/215 is good. Also can it be used with stock pushrods, springs, rockers? So all i need is the cam? I want something that will work with the stock motor. And were should i buy these at?

Thanks.

DJ_187 · 05-06-2009, 03:29 PM

anyone? lol id also like to know

kgmx856 · 05-06-2009, 03:56 PM

I think thats Blainestang? Idk, but ask him, he put one in his car.

strictly6racing · 05-06-2009, 04:51 PM

im currently searching for a cam as well to compliment my m112 setup and give a good lope. im interested in what the specs of the cam in that vid are?

a2k_stang · 05-06-2009, 06:04 PM

wow, this has turned in the blind leading the blind lol. Basically if you want to do cam the right way, and actually make some power, you are going to need the cam(duh), upgraded valve springs, new push rods, and possibly new retainers(its been a few years and I dont quite remember). At the time I did mine, it was ~$560 for the parts, excluding gaskets and fluids. Your best bet is to get in contact with either matt @ delk or tom @ supersix and they will recomend a cam based upon your individual plans and goals that you have for your car.

MadStang · 05-06-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by a2k_stang

wow, this has turned in the blind leading the blind lol. Basically if you want to do cam the right way, and actually make some power, you are going to need the cam(duh), upgraded valve springs, new push rods, and possibly new retainers(its been a few years and I dont quite remember). At the time I did mine, it was ~$560 for the parts, excluding gaskets and fluids. Your best bet is to get in contact with either matt @ delk or tom @ supersix and they will recomend a cam based upon your individual plans and goals that you have for your car.

This. buying an off the shelf cam is the worst idea because it's not purpose-built for YOUR motor. Believe me, I have an off the shelf cam and am regretting that I didn't spend the extra coin to get a custom ground cam in the first place.

As far as where to get a cam from, I highly discourage buying from delk because of all the issues that have been arising lately with many of their parts. Stick with SSM, RPM-Mustangs, or my personal favorite, MoranaV6Racing.

zac22892 · 05-06-2009, 09:00 PM

I know the guy who's car is in the video. I think his cam is setup around his nitrous setup. If you want me to next time I talk to him I can see, if he will give me the cam specs for you?

94moosestang · 05-06-2009, 09:04 PM

You do realize that with any cam swap you will have to get a tune right? You can't just throw in a camshaft with these OBDII cars, hell you can't even retard or advance your current cam's timing without the car running like crap. Found that out first hand.

neatofrito1618 · 05-06-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by zac22892

I know the guy who's car is in the video. I think his cam is setup around his nitrous setup. If you want me to next time I talk to him I can see, if he will give me the cam specs for you?

I asked him what the lobe seperation was a couple years ago and he didn't know. I forget the duration but it wasn't very agressive.

MustangHunter · 05-07-2009, 05:07 AM

I figured ill need a tune which will cost around 300-400

I don't want anything too aggressive as its my DD. I want to know what I should get, and what I need. And if I can get a cam that uses the stock pushrods, springs, rockers ect.. I hope I can, but don't know.

But I really need to order it soon if I get it

DJ_187 · 05-07-2009, 05:24 AM

maybe a 207/215? email the guys from supersixmotorsports (ssm)

MustangHunter · 05-07-2009, 06:33 AM

Thanks, i emailed SSM. I'll probably end up giving them a call too.

DJ_187 · 05-07-2009, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MustangHunter

Thanks, i emailed SSM. I'll probably end up giving them a call too.

you gotta post a video when you get it, id love my exhaust to sound like that

MustangHunter · 05-07-2009, 03:28 PM

Well, i took it up to the shop today. I'm going to leave it with him Monday to look it over to be sure its the head gasket. Then, if it is. He said that with 120k miles and the cost in labor (around 1k) that i'd be better off getting a new, or used motor put in.

And if he did fix it, he said there would be no guarantee it would fix the engine knock.

DJ_187 · 05-08-2009, 06:56 AM

ughh that sucks man. did you get any word from ssm yet?

mczest · 05-08-2009, 07:53 AM

look at the positive. engines go for 400 and they are around 50k miles

MustangHunter · 05-08-2009, 08:58 AM

Yeah, he got back to me with some info.

Ok, if i got an engine for about $400. What would be the cost for install? The guy said i could probably get it and installed for about $1500...

On the bright side, if i got a lower milage engine i could afford to S/C it!

SSStang · 05-08-2009, 09:23 AM

my 207/215:

my "weapon x":

MustangHunter · 05-08-2009, 10:16 AM

I saw those videos on youtube, and i thought that car looked familiar!

Sounds good! Hopefully if i get a new engine, i can cam it later.

**mysteed** · 05-08-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by strictly6racing

im currently searching for a cam as well to compliment my m112 setup and give a good lope. im interested in what the specs of the cam in that vid are?

Here's my cam that SSM spec'd for my M112 setup. It's not perfect for my setup but it'll work great for yours.

216/220 with 110 lobe

MustangHunter · 05-08-2009, 10:24 AM

That sounds good!

Tom recommended me the 212/218 billit cam with 118 spring/retainer kit.

Also, if i get the new motor. i'm going to start saving and might hit you up for the M112 kit.

blainestang · 05-08-2009, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kgmx856

I think thats Blainestang? Idk, but ask him, he put one in his car.

Not me...

But here's mine... Cam specs are in the video:

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Originally Posted by MadStang

As far as where to get a cam from, I highly discourage buying from delk because of all the issues that have been arising lately with many of their parts. Stick with SSM, RPM-Mustangs, or my personal favorite, MoranaV6Racing.

To be fair, Delk's cams are made by CompCams, so Delk doesn't have to build/assemble anything. Plus, you can deal directly with Matt, he'll help you spec it, and then he'll order it from CompCams. I wouldn't buy an engine from Delk, and on principle I would be hesitant to buy from them at all at this point, but an outsourced cam through Matt is different from an engine built by some random guy at Delk.

In addition, my first cam was from RPM. It was NOT manufactured by CompCams, and it had a mis-drilled oil passage that destroyed my cam gear and CPS gear, which disintigrated into a whole lot of metal shavings.

Take all that for what it's worth.

MadStang · 05-08-2009, 12:09 PM

Buying from matts performance ftw

It's sad when the only reliable person in the company had all of his knowledge before being employed to the company and essentially have to order from an individual or you risk having a poorly put together car. I'll stick with tom morana, 20+ years experience, he built my motor and it hasn't skipped a beat since the first start up

MadStang · 05-08-2009, 12:14 PM

I heard there were issues with miks parts in the past, but everything is solid now... Besides that mik has phenominal customer service rather than telling the customer he's wrong and there's nothing wrong with the motor

blainestang · 05-08-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MadStang

Buying from matts performance ftw

It's sad when the only reliable person in the company had all of his knowledge before being employed to the company and essentially have to order from an individual or you risk having a poorly put together car. I'll stick with tom morana, 20+ years experience, he built my motor and it hasn't skipped a beat since the first start up

I don't disagree. I was just noting the difference between having Delk build you an engine and having Matt spec and order a cam from a reputable company. Like I said, I probably wouldn't do it again out of principle.

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Originally Posted by MadStang

I heard there were issues with miks parts in the past, but everything is solid now... Besides that mik has phenominal customer service rather than telling the customer he's wrong and there's nothing wrong with the motor

Mik may have a new cam manufacturer... and even if he doesn't, I'm sure they're a little more careful about the oil passage now. However, his customer service was some of the worst I've ever experienced, too, so I'm unconvinced. Of course, other people have had good customer service with him, so YMMV.

Honestly, the only V6 companies that I would spend *my* money with would be SSM and maybe Morana.

MadStang · 05-08-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blainestang

Honestly, the only V6 companies that I would spend *my* money with would be SSM and maybe Morana.

Will a 4.2 built by morana that can rev to 7k with no problem and has been doing so for about a year change your mind??

neatofrito1618 · 05-08-2009, 01:12 PM

I had no problem with Mik when I bought my H/C. It seems to be a hit or miss with him though.

blainestang · 05-08-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MadStang

Will a 4.2 built by morana that can rev to 7k with no problem and has been doing so for about a year change your mind??

I've heard he's kinda slow on deliveries and such, but that's not the end of the world if it's a good product.

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I had no problem with Mik when I bought my H/C. It seems to be a hit or miss with him though.

I guess so.

MadStang · 05-08-2009, 06:48 PM

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I've heard he's kinda slow on deliveries and such, but that's not the end of the world if it's a good product.

I guess so.

Well I fully understand why it's slower service. He's in canada and specifically noted that it would take a little while longer to receive the parts

**greensteeda** · 05-08-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MadStang

Well I fully understand why it's slower service. He's in canada and specifically noted that it would take a little while longer to receive the parts

You know I am waiting on some dyno numbers from you for that motor. I need to make a choice on where I am going to get my HP from